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Cost shifting! Health care providers don't need to shift costs to paying customers, there are other ways to compensate for low reimbursement rates,

Kevin MD writes Still want "Medicare for all"? Give me a break!, and goes on to reference an article in the NY Times and The Health Care Blog about the cost shifting that goes on due to the low reimbursement rates of Medicare and Medicaid.

Although Matthew Holt tries to debunk the cost shifting myth, I have my doubts, but even if it is a myth, there are other ways providers can cover their costs.

Last weekend, my 85 year old aunt had, what now appears to have been a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA), which I am told is a very mild stroke. She was talking incoherently and seemed to be lost. We took her to the emergency room, and after about 4 hours, she was pretty much back to normal, but was admitted overnight to the hospital just to be sure.

During the night, her heart rate fell to 20 beats per minute, and she was transferred to the coronary care unit. She was there for a couple of days, while the doctors tried to figure out what was going on. They ended up changing some of her medication, and when that appeared to fix the problem, was transferred to a regular room.

They attached a heart monitor to her, and she stayed at the hospital for another 4 days where she continued to see several different doctors, and had additional tests run to make sure everything else was fine.

After a week, she was finally given a clean bill of health, and was sent home.

So did my aunt need to be hospitalized for a week, see all those doctors and have so many tests run? I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but my aunt isn't in the best of health either. She only has about 10% kidney function, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, CHF and a host of other things I'm sure I'm not even aware of. In her favor though, she is alert, and for the most part can take care of herself. So maybe all that care was necessary.

But I can also envision there being an ulterior motive? Maybe this is how hospitals gets compensated for low reimbursement rates, or for providing free care to the uninsured. Who's to say what tests are or aren't necessary, or who she should see under the circumstances? Certainly not me.

So whether you want to believe there is cost shifting going on, or the costs are covered by other means, there is no denying the US health care system is flawed, and is in crisis, and is likely to get worse!

And Matthew Holt makes a good point when he states "Medicare for all, or any other sensible universal solution would end this game."

So Kevin MD, to answer your question, YES! I want Medicare for all, or at least for me!

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Submitted by Dr. Rob Lamberts on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 12:05pm.

As would probably half of the doctors if there was universal Medicare.  A lot of doctors are dropping it altogether due to very poor reimbursements.  We have not done so out of principle - I just don't think it would be righ, and it only makes up less than 15% of my practice.  Due to this fact, the crisis that would be created with this scenerio would be too big to justify any gains.  I think it is extremely unlikely that this would fly.

You would end up with a 2-tiered system, where doctors start practices that rich patients could pay cash for or "subscribe to" as in "Boutique Medicine."

Sorry to rain on your parade.

Rob

Augusta, GA

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Submitted by hippocrates on Thu, 06/08/2006 - 12:28pm.

Looks like healthcare delivery is still a market just like any other.

I grew up in a country with the ultimate socialized medicine (Soviet Union) and the medicine worked there exactly as Rob said. Except the private market was a "black market", technically illegal, which created even more problems.

So I would say that flexibility and choice are as important as having a social safety net.

Submitted by Marc on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 6:37am.

And just what would you do Rob?  

I wouldn't recommend a career in aerospace!

Why do some seem so worried about such a prospect?  What would really be the difference if Medicare or some other designated government entity reimbursed doctors and hospitals for care vs the current system now, where a dozen or more private entities provide reimbursement?

Essentially it's the amount that is reimbursed.  But that is just a matter of negotiation.

That number will easily go up, since there will no longer be the profit motive of the health insurers siphoning off billions from providers and consumers.

There will also be more money in the insurance pool, since this would have to be a mandatory enrollment program, funded by what I envision as a  combination of payroll taxes, sales taxes and/or a VAT.

Providers will benefit since they won't have to hire additional staff required to file for reimbursement from the various health insurers.  Emergency rooms won't be overburdened by people without insurance.

Patients will benefit because all the money previously paid to health insurers will now go to an entity who's principle goal will not be to deny care to the patient.  And consumers/patients will no longer have to worry about being able to purchase health insurance, and risking bankruptcy, simply because they have lost their job.

Plus it will be a boon to business and the economy, since businesses will no longer be saddled with the sole responsibility of providing health care to the citizens of the US, forcing many jobs overseas in order to compete in a world economy. 

And there can still be room for the health insurers through supplemental insurance, just as it is now with Medicare.  Insureres will just have to be more aggressive in their marketing to get a share of the health care dollars.

Submitted by Dr. Rob Lamberts on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 10:25am.

But we have very small margins in primary care.  Plus, last time I checked, you could not negotiate with Medicare - you either take their rate or don't take them.  Yes, it is all about money - in the sense that if I had 100% Medicare, my income would drop substantially.  Plus, now I would be at the whim of Congress regarding my income level - if they didn't want to cut out their pork-barrell projects, they could just cut physician reimbursement.  I really think that most doctors would agree with me.  It may look good on paper, but I have learned not rely on the good will of others - which is what I would be doing when reimbursement rates for PCP's are set.  The AMA would surely lobby strongly on behalf of the specialists, but not the PCP's.  Plus, that would just make my salary a political football.  I don't want that.

So what would I do?  Maybe I could go into politics....

Rob

Augusta, GA

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Submitted by Marc on Fri, 06/09/2006 - 10:57am.

I really didn't mean to indicate that I thought you could negotiate with Medicare for reimbursement.

What I was trying to say was, since everyone will be contributing via payroll taxes, sales taxes and/or a VAT, more money will go into the system, and reimbursements should go up.  Plus provider costs will go down, since they won't have to deal with the myriad of different insurance company forms and procedures.

But the major benefit will be to business and the economy.  Certainly companies will have to contribute via a payroll tax, but most socially responsible companies already contribute to health care for their employees, so that won't be an issue for them.  Where those companies will see a benefit is from the elimination of the need for workmans comp insurance.  And the companies that don't provide health care won't be hurt either because of the same workmans comp issue.

I believe it's a win-win for everyone, except of course for the health insurance companies, and the politicians who benefit from health insurance company lobbying.

It is certainly a lot better than the hodge podge system we have now, where many people have to go without insurance due to the cost, while others can be denied insurance coverage and face bankruptcy because of mounting health care expenses.

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