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Comparing the Canadian and American Health Care Systems

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As a Canadian, I find it distressing to see and hear misinformation about our health care system in the American health care reform debate.

I am not American, and certainly how Americans decide to change or not change their health care system is not my business. But when the Canadian Health Care System is dragged into the current American debate, and denigrated and lied about in order to scare Americans, I feel a need to defend our system, and to get the facts out on how the Canadian system works. For example, Louie Gohmert, a Republican congressman from Texas said “I know enough about Canadian care, and I know this bureaucratic, socialized piece of crap they have up there. One in five have to die because they went to socialized medicine.” That is crazy nonsense! And Republican Paul Broun of Georgia said on July 10, “Life is precious. Some would say, ‘Well, she’s 85 years of age; we should just let her die.’ And that’s exactly what’s going on in Canada and Great Britain today. They don’t have the appreciation of life as we do in our society, evidently.” Does he really think we let people die?? That's offensive, not to mention untrue! And as for that TV commercial about the Canadian Shona Holmes who claims she had brain cancer - well it turns out she did not have brain cancer, but a benign cyst, and she chose to go to the States to get it removed immediately. I'm in no way suggesting that the Canadian system is perfect, but neither is the American one which leaves 50 million people with no insurance at all. Most Canadians would not trade our system for the American one, and poll after poll suggests we Canadians are happier with our system than Americans are with theirs.

Bob Rae, a Canadian politician, suggested that when it comes to the goals of health care, "The questions are simple.

  • 1) Should anyone be denied health care because of their income, disability, or illness? (No.)
  • 2) Should patients be able to choose their doctors, and advocate for speedy, effective treatment? (Yes.)
  • 3) Should insurers, taxpayers, and premium payers be worried about how to control costs as an ageing society combines with great technological advance to produce an expensive mix? (Yes.)"

My impression is it is goal number 1 that Americans want to fix through health care reform, and it is this goal that the Canadian system addresses very well. In Canada, everyone that needs a hip replacement will eventually get one, even if they have to wait for it. In America, if you have no health insurance and you need a hip replacement, you won't get one at all. You can't go to an emergency room of any hospital and demand a hip replacement - it simply won't happen, so you are left to suffer. I would think that people not getting care would be a real drag on the economy, as they would be unable to be as productive at work, or perhaps unable to work at all.

Goal number 2 American propaganda suggests does not happen in Canada. According to what I've seen coming out of the States recently, we have no choice of doctors nor treatments, and our care is not at all speedy. This is false. So, let's break it down. With respect to choice of doctors, as far as I can tell, Canadians have far more choice than Americans do. I can go to any doctor I want in Canada, as long as they have room on their appointment schedule. Normally if I want to see a specialist, I need to get a referral from my general practitioner, the GP can then recommend someone, but I can also request to see whomever I want. If I want to see a doctor on the other side of the country I can do that, as with a universal insurance provider, I am not limited by Provincial boundaries. My understanding of the American system is that one is limited to the doctors covered by whatever insurance plan one is on, which is dependant largely upon one's employer. So, if the insurance plan covers only three cardiologists, then you only have a choice of three. And many insurance plans don't cross State lines. To me, that doesn't seem like very much choice at all. A single-payer insurance plan allows for more choice, not less.

"Rationed care" is another term that is being thrown around with respect to the Canadian system. I'm not too sure what exactly that means, but to me it implies a lack of treatment choice, perhaps? I don't know how many choices one needs, but if you are diagnosed with a disease, say breast cancer, you get a choice of treatment options in Canada too, along with the pros and cons of each treatment, and then the patient can decide which option feels right. So, mastectomy, lumpectomy, radiation, chemotherapy, hormone therapy, biological therapy are all available. If the patient suggests that they want to treat their breast cancer by drinking five litres of soy milk a day and wants the government to fund that, well the answer will be no. But I doubt American insurance companies would cover such a treatment either. The point is that all the kinds of treatments that one would expect to be available for a particular health condition are available and covered.

The last part of goal 2 deals with speedy treatment. Everyone has heard about the wait-time problems in Canada, and that is the one issue that dogs the Canadian system when it comes to NON-life-threatening health issues, like knee replacements, hip replacements etc. However, if the issue IS life-threatening, the care is very fast and very good. A friend went in for an angiogram, and it was discovered that the coronary (heart) arteries were pretty much completely blocked. He had a triple by-pass surgery that same day, and was kept in the hospital for almost two weeks until the physicians felt he was okay to go home. That seems like pretty good care to me! Another friend was tested, diagnosed with breast cancer, decided upon her course of treatment, and had her surgery all within three weeks. I think that is pretty good too. I have more stories like that, but you get the idea. With respect to wait times for imaging diagnosis, if something is deemed urgent, the patient get in
quickly. Also, even though Canadians wring their hands about it, the fact of the matter is that there is private care in Canada too. So, if you want that MRI and are willing to pay for it, you can get it today.

Goal 3 is probably the most challenging one to deal with for any system, and will only get more challenging with our aging population. I think that all governments can best address this by looking at the prevention side. There is much governments can do to improve the quality of the food we eat, such banning trans-fats and high fructose corn syrup from the food supply, not allowing "imitation" foods, which tend to be far worse for us than the food they are trying to imitate, and by finding a way to make fresh produce less expensive than fast-food meals. By helping people become healthier, perhaps we can slow the flood of people that develop health problems and need care.

Another argument I hear all the time is that a government-run system by definition must be less efficient and more wasteful than a privately run system. In Canada, because so much of the government's budget goes to health care, it is in their best interest to make the system as efficient as possible. Governments are accountable to their electorate, and health care is ALWAYS a top issue, so if people are unhappy they vote the government out. I don't believe that insurance policy holders in the States can vote out the people that run their insurance companies every 2 to 4 years if they don't like the care they are receiving - and they are completely at the mercy of what the insurance companies decide with respect to coverage. It is not in Canada where we regularly hear stories about people being denied care due to various insurance loop-holes. Canadians simply don't have to worry about receiving a huge medical bill, unless they travel to the States. And when there is profit involved as in private care, prices must be higher for the company to make money, and I would think it is at least possible that corners might be cut to boost the bottom line. In a non-profit system, that goes away.

The Canadian system is by no means perfect. The biggest problems are doctor shortages, especially in rural communities, and wait-times for non-life-threatening health issues, which can be quite long. But all in all, most Canadians are pretty happy with the system, and would not exchange it for the system that currently exists in the States. Hopefully our American neighbours will focus on achieving the above goals with their health care reform, and not get bogged down in politics and fear mongering. And please, if you are going to discuss the Canadian Health Care System, get your facts straight.

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Comments (15)

Submitted by Marc on Thu, 08/27/2009 - 8:23am.

No matter how much everyone in Europe or Canada says how they would never trade their health care system for that of the US, Americans still choose to believe the lies, put out by the health insurance industry, and the politicians who do their bidding.

IMO, it just goes to show how stupid naive and gullible the American public is, when it comes to what goes on in the rest of the world.

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 09/01/2009 - 10:52am.

There is more than a little disinformation stated in this article.

 I took a bad fall on a tennis court.  I went to an "American hospital emergency room, no one even asked if I had insurance, they repaired my broken hip within a couple of hours.  If you need heath care in America, you will get it.  Period, it is the law.

 There are NOT 50 million people who are uninsured in America, first of all the real number is supposedly 47 million (I guess rounded off to make it more dramatic)

 1.  The 10 to 14 Million "Illegals" who choose to sneak over the border do not pay for heath care, but they get free health treatment.

2.  14 million Young Americans do not CHOOSE to purchase health insurance (after all they are going to live forever)

3.  10 million people are between jobs and temporarily are without health insurance, but still get health care.

4.  The remainder are people who cannot afford, or are too lazy to purchase health insurance, who still get treated in the health care system.

I had a very good friend from Canada who spent 5 months and 29 days in Maui every year.  He died waiting for a Heart operation that the Canadian system decided was not life threatening.  Do not play these silly games with us.  The Canadian system is not perfect.  I don't know about Canada, but here in the United States all government run entities are run inefficiently and with waste, including the great U.S. Military.  I served 4 years in the Air Force during the Viet Nam War.  More than 1/2 of the people in my unit had nothing to do, by choice, or by order.  Don't attempt to tell me that America, with its bankrupt Social Security system, bankrupt Medicare, bankrupt Medicaid, near bankrupt Postal system can all of a sudden run the most efficient Health Care System.

Does the U.S. Health Care system need reform, yes, of course, but its largest problem is Tort reform, not revamping our entire Health care system to put the government in charge of another 17% of the economy.  There is Nothing in either of the four prominent bills before the Congress to fix that BIGGEST problem.

I am not a politician, nor do I represent Insurance companies, I am a typical hard working, conservitive American who pays more than enough taxes, I do not want or need the government in my life cradle to grave.  I also do not want our country turning into a marxist/facist country as the current administration is attempting to do.  Go away and leave us alone to live our lives.  We will let you know when we want help.

Jim

Submitted by Vreni Gurd on Tue, 09/01/2009 - 11:09am.

 Sorry you took this so personally.  Now you understand how many Canadians feel about the Canadian system being dragged through the mud in the American media. I can say the same thing back to you.  Please, leave us and our system out of your health debate.

I wasn't trying to criticize the American system - rather I was trying to defend the Canadian one.  I'm not suggesting a single payer system is the only way to go in the States - you can sort out your own problems and set up whatever system you think will work best for you.  Just please don't suggest that our system is so terrible in order to promote a particular political view.  After all, at least 85% of Canadians like our system and although it could still be better, prefer it to other options out there.

And I didn't mean to expand the numbers of uninsured - those were the
numbers I found when I did my research.  Point well taken about many
choosing not to be insured.

Vreni Gurd

Health and Vitality Coach

Corrective Exercise Specialist

BPHE, CHEK 3, HLC 2
www.wellnesstips.ca

Submitted by Marc on Tue, 09/01/2009 - 11:30am.

I just ignore posts who don't really know what they are talking about, and just spout the same lies and half truths I here all the time by those who have a vested interest in the status quo. They have no interest in presenting facts only misstatements designed to scare people.

The unfortunate part is too many Americans can't see through the lies

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by Vreni Gurd on Tue, 09/01/2009 - 12:25pm.

Hey Marc,

Those in the blogging world may not always agree, and we may have to agree to disagree, but I must say this post seems to have hit a nerve that I didn't mean to hit.  I've got a lot of email on this post from Canadians that are happy to see our system defended, and a lot of Americans that think I'm meddling in US affairs, as well as other Americans that apologized for the negative stuff beings said about the Canadian system.  Pretty interesting, really. 

What I've realized over the last couple of days, is that some Americans do not agree with goal number 1 as stated in my post: "Should anyone be denied health care because of their income, disability, or illness? (No.)"  That is a goal that no one in Canada argues with and I had set up the post thinking that no one could argue that goal so we would have a common starting point, yet I now think many Americans actually disagree with that basic goal, and see it as "communist" or something.  And I think that is why I seem to have upset so many people.

I now get the feeling the American dream is about the mad race to the top without any regard for who or what (environment) gets hurt as collateral damage.  I hope I'm wrong, as that seems very sad to me.

 Anyway, what will be will be.  Good to hear from you - how are you doing?  Still riding?

 

Vreni Gurd

Health and Vitality Coach

Corrective Exercise Specialist

BPHE, CHEK 3, HLC 2
www.wellnesstips.ca

Submitted by Marc on Tue, 09/01/2009 - 6:02pm.

You'll figure it out soon Vreni. In the US, it's only about me, me, me. We have no compassion for our fellow man, unless of course we can make a profit from exploiting him/her.

As for me, I'm still going strong, although I do have my ups and downs.

I still manage to find time to ride 150 to 200 miles a week, but unfortunately, at 61, trying to keep up with the 40 and 50 year olds is getting more difficult everyday. But I haven't given up just yet.

Even starting to jog a little now.

Oh and don't worry about hitting a nerve. That may be the only thing that can wake up some people to the truth.

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by Jim (not verified) on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 12:45pm.

Yes, you did hit a nerve, that said I am not here to throw darts at the Canadian system, (and marc, I can tell you that its not all about me, me, me.)  Your main question is actually irrelevant to the Health Care debate.  Americans, foreigners, illegals are now given free Health Care, all they have to do is show up at a Hospital.  People, insured, uninsured, illegals, all of them, are being treated.   This debate is not about Getting Health Care, its about who pays for it.  Many choose not to, the list is about 37 million long.

 Marc seems to have a very distasteful idea about the average American.  I resist such blather.   Marc may not have compassion for his fellow citizen, don't put that label on me, my friends and family.  Its all about what is best for the greatest country in the world, if you don't see it that way, so be it.  Maybe another country (that has more compassion) would a better place to make your residence.

Why don't we have a Real discussion about the Real problems.  Health Care in America is the best ever around the world, most of the advancements have come from the capitalist, profit oriented, (selfish) Americans, how much of this continues when we have a single payer, restrictive care system.  Doctors will not benefit, patients will not benefit.  You tell me, where will the elite leaders of the world go for Health Care when we become another inefficient government run entity. 

Once again, promote Tort reform, lower insurance bills for the doctors, promote competition across state lines, now you start making a difference.  My fantastic Dentist runs a one man office with a staff of 9, and pays over $350,000 in extra Insurance to protect his business.  Yes, there are problems in the American system, but lets not destroy the entire system in an effort to give the Obama administration (or any other administration) another 1/6 th of the economy.

Jim

Submitted by Marc on Tue, 09/15/2009 - 3:20pm.

If everyone can already receive health care in the US, whether they're insured or not, simply by showing up at a hospital, then why is there any discussion about who's going to pay for it? Who's paying for it now?

Yeah you are right about one thing. You can go to a hospital ER, and receive some care, but not really much. If you're in a car accident, you'll be treated, but if you have cancer, do you really think you're going to get treated. If you don't look sick, they won't do anything, but send you on your way, and if you're really in such bad shape they will stabilize you, nothing more, and then send you on your way  [to die]. I think Sarah Palin refers to that as a Death Panel. Oh,  they'll also do the same after a car accident, i.e. stabilize you and send you on your way.

Is that what is best for the country?

And you make the statement health care in America "is the best ever around the world."

It is? Please enlighten me. What is the criteria you have based that on? I have asked that question many times to many different people, and have never gotten a good answer. In fact, I've never gotten an answer. Hopefully you'll be able to shed some light on that.

Do we have more and better trained doctors per capita than other countries around the world? Do we have better trained nurses, and higher nurse to patient ratios? Do we have lower infection rates or deaths per capita? Do we have a longer life expectancy? And does everyone in the US receive the same level of care? Or maybe it's just because we spend the most.

Please tell me. Inquiring minds want to know.

And if you think tort reform is going to change anything you are sadly mistaken. California has limits on awards, and costs are increasing just as dramatically as everywhere else. It's a drop in the bucket, and a very small one.

And what good is it going to do to be able to go cross state lines to purchase insurance? How many California doctors do you think will be considered in network doctors, say in Iowa?

You're just spouting the usual lies and half truths put out by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. It's obvious to me, you don't understand the US health care system.

And just to enlighten you a little, two of the major problem we have are

  1. a health insurance industry that sucks 25% of all health care dollars out of the system, discriminates against the sick, and does everything in its power to insure you don't get the care you need, and
  2. a fee for service health care system, that encourages waste and fraud. The more a health care provider does (whether necessary or not), the more they get paid.

Oh and please don't forget to tell us how you have come to the conclusion that health care in America "is the best ever around the world".

Oh, and while you're at it, why not tell us why the US is the greatest country in the world. Is it because we don't care whether everyone has access to quality healthcare, or is just because we carry the biggest stick?

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by Jim (not verified) on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 10:28am.

Marc

If you hate it here that much, I suggest you find another place to live.  I am in a hurry to go play golf this morning, will answer all your questions later.

Submitted by Marc on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:15pm.
Submitted by Marc on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:17pm.

But I doubt you'll respond. If you had any good responses you would have presented them already.

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by Marc on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:17pm.

But I doubt you'll respond. If you had any good responses you would have presented them already.

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by Jim (not verified) on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 10:42am.

Marc

If you hate it here that much, I suggest you find another place to live.  I am in a hurry to go play golf this morning, will answer all your questions later.

Submitted by Marc on Wed, 09/23/2009 - 11:40am.

You said you were going to respond to my questions, but you simply repeated your previous comment, adding a different title.  

How original! And is that the best you could come up with? Asking me why I don't leave.

Why should I leave? I'm quite happy here. My company pays for 100% of my health insurance/health care costs. In March when I plan to retire, my wife will be eligible for Medicare, and I will have my health care covered by the VA.

The fact that you'll be helping to pay for all that, makes me quite content to stay, if for no other reason than to hopefully "piss you off".

Hey if you think the system is fair, I guess there's not much I can do to change your mind. The problem is, it isn't fair. I have been fortunate enough to be on the "fair" side of the equation, but millions of Americans aren't. I don't like it, but if I can't convince those on the other side of the inadequacies of our current system, I'm sure not going to lose any sleep over it.

Hope you had a good golf game.

You know I may just go golfing today as well, and the day after tomorrow. I'd like to go everyday, but unfortunately I have to work my two full half days a week. And the best part is I get a senior discount, which is half the going rate.

Marc
Living with MCL

Submitted by spiruline (not verified) on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 11:14pm.

Hi,

   It is so sad that to praise own care system they are showing the canada's care system unfaithful and uneffective.The article is very helpful to see the real facts.The shortage of doctors in the rural areas is matter of concern for the administration.

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